Monocentropus balfouri

[tom12 0]

[J-M Belley11 0]

Hi Tom, your specimen is amazing. You are lucky and I'm so jealous

That's why I hate to live in Canada because it's more difficult to find rare African species like the Monocentropus balfouri or Encyocratella olivacea. Even typical african species African species are hard to find like the Pterinochilus Murinus typical color form or Stromatopelma Calceatum...

I hope our situation will be better one day

[tom12 0]

i'm sorry to hear that it's that difficult in canada
i've been looking for this spider also for a long time. finding them wasn't that difficult, but finding them for a price i could afford. t think this is one of the most beautiful spiders of africa. i'm more into asian spiders
but this one i just had to have in my collection.
i was lucky i could purchase a juvenile couple of somebody i know for a very decent price. (decent for these spiders that is )

[MissPulchra 0]

I also asked...

But 500 for one.. i can not pay !

Find also you put a picture with real colors...
They always put with some changing and than your so sad to receive it and see it is not so blue and white...

Your are dead; if i can not get one of our slings later...

[J-M Belley11 0]

Citation :

t think this is one of the most beautiful spiders of africa

I never saw a specimen with my own eyes but I was in Ottawa two month ago and I saw a mature female E. olivacea and I fall in love.

I think Stromatopelminae is my favorite subfamily, but for how long...

[tom12 0]

freshly moulted (juvenile) female. starting to show their real colours

[SCHMITT01 0]

Je ne comprends pas trop l'Anglais, mais si j'ai bien suivi, l'auteur à raison, sa femelle n'a pas encore sa coloration finale, ni la taille et les proportions d'une adulte...

Parce qu'une femelle adulte, celà ressemble plutôt à ceci...( )




Autre femelle adulte :





Et il vaut mieux pour une repro réussi être sûr que la femlle est bien adulte, car même les sub s'accouplent sans problème, et cette espèce à une croissance très lente, 4 ans mini pour obtenir une femelle adulte.

Ex, sujet femelle sub-adulte :




Tiens, allez, pour le plaisir des yeux, voici une photo d'une de mes repro avec une autre femelle :




Et pour finir, le résultat d'une autre repro chez une troisième femelle, on constate facilement que cette espèce suspends le cocon tout comme le fond la plupart des africaine et ne le garde pas entre les chélicères, le respect strict des conditions de maintenance est primordiale pour la réeussite de l'éclosion, car pas d'intervention ou de déplacement du concon par la femelle.




Steve

[MissPulchra 0]

Y a pas de smiley d'un bohomme bouche ouverte en train de baver... ?

[normand1 0]

elles sont vraiment superbe steve tes mymys.
ca donne envie de les avoir autrement qu'en photos.lol

[MissPulchra 0]

MOI d'aBORD ! NA !

[tom12 0]

juvenile female

[MissPulchra 0]

Beautiful...

Do you think they would mate next year ?
Dont forget, to young females seems to get problems and not giving eggs..

[tom12 0]

next year would be a bit soon, maybe in a year or 2? it depends on how fast the females grow. but i'm feeding them a lot more than the male, so chances or good that they will be adult before the male, so hopefully breeding goes well then...

[MissPulchra 0]

I think you are right ! 2 years seems beter..

[tom12 0]

[tom12 0]

if all goes well, i'll try breeding this in a few months

[MissPulchra 0]

[tom12 0]

adult female





adult male (thnx to JM Verdez)

[MissPulchra 0]

Did you already tried to mate ???

[tom12 0]

[MissPulchra 0]

This does not meant anything....

[ludo46 0]

Dites moi j 'en ai vu sur un site allemand ,vendue à 310€ unité c 'est le prix ?!

[frederic b.01 0]

oui c'est dans cette ordre de prix pour une adulte, pour un stade 1 a 4 c'est entre 80 et 100€ le mygalon.

[MissPulchra 0]

Eh oui, c'est pourquoi j'attend sagement qu'un ami un camarade ou quoi, puisse en reproduire afin d'en avoir une à prix raisonnable ou échange etc...

car je ne veux PAS et ne peux pas entrer dans cette spirale des betes rares et hyper cheres...
Comme pas mal d'entre vous je suppose je suis chef de famille, et seule en plus, alors il y a des limites, même pour un hobby..

Mais bon, depuis que j'en sais plus sur son comportement et surtout ses moeurs, je suis moins déçues..

caa beaucoup de forum nous montrent des bêtes surexposées qui apparaissent toutes blanches avec un bleu... presque qu'électrique alors qu'en réalité...

Sans compter ses moeurs souterraines....

[tom12 0]

310€ is not the price for an adult, it's more like the price for a (bigger) juvenile sexed as female.
the price for an adult female (if you can find one) is more like +500€

the problem with this species is that they make small eggsacs (if you are lucky enough to get a decent one) that contains +- 20-40 spiderlings

that's why they are so expensive: high price for spiderlings, higher prices for females, small eggsacs...
if a breeder has a big group, and he has succes than it's not likely he will be selling this cheap, because he had to put a lot of money in it himself.

[MissPulchra 0]

yes we really do understand..

This spider is really special for that ...

I thing they have small bag because otherwise they would be to mush on their place, but PERHAPS after a few years (perhaps 10 or more) they will make bigger bag in our terrarium...

We can hope.. otherwise only a few will have the chance to have them.

it is no chance, they pay.. but you understand wat i mean...


I still hope i get once a sling, that i would exchange again some others of something like this...

[ludo46 0]

N'empêche que ça rapporte d'être éleveur!!€€€
Même si je peux me permettre d'en acheter quelques spécimens jamais je ne mettrais un prix aussi élevé pour une mygale , c est du n'importe quoi ces prix!

[tom12 0]

@ ludo: i don't understand completely...
but i think you are saying that if you buy a breeding group of this species and you have succes, you wouldn't ask as much?

than how much would you ask?

because if you really would not ask as much as the rest, than you can buy my complete breeding group, and if you have succes then i buy all your little spiderlings for only a few €'s

and then sell them for what they are worth!

(that's another reason why i wouldn't sell mine very cheap if i ever have succes, because you always have people who want to take advantage of you)

it's easy to talk about selling spiderlings cheap if you didn't have to buy the breeders yourself.
you would be an idiot (not adressed to you) if you spent 1000's of €'s for rare spiders, and then sell their offspring very cheap.

it would be another case if the eggsac contained 1000's of spiders (like for example A. geniculata or L. parahybana) but it's not like that is it....

[MissPulchra 0]

NO tom that is not what he said..

he said himself would never buy such an expensive spider...
En so he will never be able to breed them..

He finds that the first specimens found in nature wel to expensive...

Than, we do understand if YOU have to buy breeding groep and male and female, it is normal you ask so mush for the slings..
There we totally agree.

What he finds and says, it is the first are to expensive sold...
And he would never give so mush money for a spider..

nether would i do... i love spiders but i find that money to expensive also..

Even if i understand : persons like you, do have NO OTHER choice, they are obliged... to ask so mush...

[tom12 0]

sorry for my mis-interpretation...

but it's something i hear to often...

so much for that spider??? it isn't worth it. i'm not interested in it, some people even say it's an ugly one. and don't know why people want it.
had some people say it even with P. metallica.
but when i say i have some mated, then they always say: i would like one IF the price is very low...

and the mistake i made in the past was: i've sold some of my offspring very cheap to people i know, and behind my back they were selling the same offspring (they got from me) for 2 or even 3times as much...

you live and learn i guess....

but that's why it bothers me when people discuss the prices, but my opinion is: if you can't afford it, simply don't buy it

[MissPulchra 0]

I really can understand you get mad if some bad persons sell your spiders 3 times when you made a gift to help..

I also got the problem..

not very nice...

Wat makes me mad, that is just that problem.. I really try to make a circle of "nice" persons who see spiders as a hobby, not a money maker...

But because of that spudis ones, no one trust anyone anymore..

And that is the same for all in Life.. not only with spiders...
You become afraid to trust someone...

[ludo46 0]

Juste pour que je me fasse une idée :
- savez vous combien de personnes possèdent des spécimen de capture en Europe?
- sont elles rares sur leur biotope ?

[tom12 0]

i don't think they are that rare in the wild, but they only exist on a small african island. that is not accessable for men....
and i know of a lot of people who posses this species, but most of them are captive bred, and some are (illegaly) wildcaught.
but that is a question i can't answer, it would be the same as to ask you if you know how many people posses P. metallica for example

but i'm sure here in belgium (where i live) i'm one of the few who has this species (and is trying to breed it.

but that doesn't change the fact that they stay expensive because they are difficult to breed and have very small number of spiderlings in the eggsacs...

and as long as only a few have these and try to breed these, then the price will stay high...

so maybe you can buy a lot of them, breed them in big numbers, and then sell them cheap, then the price of the others will also go down

[ludo46 0]

Merci pour tes réponses Tom, je comprend mieux pourquoi elles sont si rares actuellement.

[tom12 0]

no problem

[MissPulchra 0]

Tom ? 50 rosea slings versus 2 slings balfouri ?















It is a joke.. i know that can not be..

[patotxiki 0]

Subadult male



Adult male

[MissPulchra 0]

Pleased of sad to get males ?

Beautifull spiders...

[louloucana1 0]

très belle mygale au fait gael giraud en a une a vendre femelle 4.5 cm de corps mais bon pour le prix sa reste une Monocentropus balfouri très rare
a+

[Xen1 0]

En Suisse on en voit de plus en plus dans les bourses à des prix raisonnable, genre 80chf le mygalon stade 4 la dernière fois. Ca fait genre 50euro..

J'attend que les miennes poussent un peu avant de les prendre en photos, en tout cas sacré tisseuses même mygalons

[kriss01 0]

mon bebe

[freddoba1 0]

on arrive a le voir mais toujours aussi flou demande a ton homme pour les photos il y auras peut-etre moins de flou ou alors c'est que tu n'avez pas ta dose alors un grand verre de blanc et plus de tramblotte lol

[kriss01 0]

avant de faire des reflections du genre
presente toi sur le forum et montre nous tes betes et apres tu pourras faire le malin

[mick06 0]

freddoba a écrit:

on arrive a le voir mais toujours aussi flou demande a ton homme pour les photos il y auras peut-etre moins de flou ou alors c'est que tu n'avez pas ta dose alors un grand verre de blanc et plus de tramblotte lol

sa c'est pas gentil

[louloucana1 0]

très belle petite puce ou tu la eu
quelle taille fait t'elle
a+

[tyson999901 0]

trop belle kriss elle est toute mimi ta mymy effectivement tu l'as eu ou ton diamand

[Haplopelman 0]

freddoba a écrit:

on arrive a le voir mais toujours aussi flou demande a ton homme pour les photos il y auras peut-etre moins de flou ou alors c'est que tu n'avez pas ta dose alors un grand verre de blanc et plus de tramblotte lol

ta vanne et un peut trop abusé la

[louloucana1 0]

haplopelman a raison car la c'était trop déplaçait
a+

[kriss01 0]

de plus il vanne tous le monde mais pas de presentation, ni photo ,ni rien de constructif dans c est message

[freddoba1 0]

d'accord je m'excuse c'est vrai c'etait pour rire mais je me rends compte que c'est mechant alors exuse moi kriss si tu le veut bien