underdresses's snakes

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after about 20 years i kept them again! from 2004 to 2008; 2 consecutive breeding seasons :i was adviced to put either the scientific or the common name : the first is to hard to copy, the second is something related to something U Girls underdress, usually so nice to we males, but i m unable to recall it correctly....perhaps it is Bra....uhm, no. not that. Let's try with Guepiere,... uhm it's worse. then...ehm Thong? It could be. it sounds good. yes it can be Thong : Thong Snakes.
The striped one is the San Francisco red-striped thong-snake, (Thamnophis sirtalis tetrataenia), the other is the red-spotted thong-snake (T. s. concinnus, previously T. s. infernalis) with a wider natural distribution , but both are protected in the U.S.A. and i obtained them from a mate of the EGSA European [b]Garter [b]Snake Association. http://www.egsa.de/
toh : with the Association's link it came also the NAME : GARTER SNAKES.
I saw Someone here already posted about them, then i'll add only few things about.
They are very sensitive to the Thiamin disease, then don't feed them with frozen fish : mine went well either with sciented pinks/fuzzies and with meat/wurstels stripes.
although i was forced to keep together 1 pair of striped + 1 pair of spotted together, males courted and coupled only omologous female! (sorry for the bad pic on that matter : it was taken by phone and surely i hadn't my glasses on).
room temp was from 15°C to 28°C and humidity from 35 to 75%. only natural light.
oddity:
at the 2nd breeding season female 'infernalis' gave birth on Oct.13 to 8 living + 13 dead (but not malformed) babies. After 1 month an Nov: 15 she gave birth again to 3 living + 7 dead more babies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bibliography
i saw a good work here from Invitè & Valko
Rossi , J.V. 'Snakes of the United States and Canada' 1992, Krieger Pub.
a past issue of 'Reptile Magazine' of the early 90' dedicated to Garter Snakes , i cannot quote now cause it is at my ex'home, but i m sure u can find on web