to CHANCE, OPENLY

[ugo02 0]

CHANCE,

i have a great opinion about U

but U have to choose between a forum for 'safe snakes' only, or... hypocrisy!

venomous-snakes keepers cannot feel free to post here or change experiences.
Forum politness is like chastity : UNNATURAL!
At present i have 14 Naja annulata to sex, and routinary i have to check snakes for mites, venom-fangs diseases,a new arrived green mamba to rehydrate, etc; how could i perform those without free-handling? Snakes aren't for everyone, and venomous snakes are for very few people.
i think it was as forbidding people to watch Moto GP, cause riding by moto could be dangerous!!!!! or watching action- movies cause the murders in them.
of course my thought is more complex, but i m sure U don't need i explain it more deeply. U could choose many ways : ban me ( and others); ban all the venomous-snakes keepers; open a special -loocked-section for us;.......or go on this way, having us as GOST-MEMBERS, names without any real partecipation.
of course i m watching the topic from my side only, and i m sure Ur explainations will help me a lot.
with an huge estimate
Yours
ugo

[Boomslang1 0]

:clin oeil:

[ugo02 0]

sorry Boomslang i didn't understand what u wrote, but that word 'VILAIN' makes me thinking U were offensive : perhaps that is the way U r using to deal Ur home daily, with Ur relatives, surely it isn't mine: i m not that low vile being, i didn't offend anyone.
cheers

[Boomslang1 0]

non, no!! don't misunderstand!
I'm totally agree with you
a few years agos, I had many venomous snakes, most of them were arboreal pit vipers and true vipers of genus atheris,proatheris,bothriechis,trimeresurus,tropidolaemus
so, I understand what you mean

so if you like green and colors:
/t21165p50-mes-plus-beaux-venimeux-arboricoles

[ugo02 0]

Thanks, Boomslang, and accept my apologizes if i misanderstood.
my fault, it isn't a quite time to me!
glad to have friends here thinking and experienced the same
i like people here, but we keepers of venomous snakes have to stay silent as vampires,living a double life; not the same at other European forums, but there German and more hard languages make hard to exchange experiences.
why have i to go hidden? what am i doing bad?
i hope Chance can find a solution allowing us to share our experiences
Thanks again
Yours truly
ugo


thanks for the LINK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marie-Laure1111 0]

Alora in francese no ? L'italiano no ? Perche solo inglese ? Anch'io vuolo capire. Na !

[ugo02 0]

Scusa Marie-Laure,
spiegavo i motivi per cui chi tiene velenosi si sente messo da parte in un forum.Non ne può partecipare appieno e si sente costretto a una 'vita doppia'. E, unitamente, tutti nel forum (a partire da Voi in alto) sanno che le regole di 'bon-ton' sono ipocrite. Non criticavo, cercavo e cerco nella esperienza, saggezza e tolleranza di Chance una soluzione o indicazione.
i 'serpenti velenosi' non sono l'unice cosa potenzialmente pericolosa nella vita : ne uccide più la moto, anche il parapendio,l'alcool, etc. non demonizzateci : ma noi dobbiamo, ogni giorno , poterci sentire liberi di trattare i nostri serpenti come Voi trattate i Vostri.
Grazie
ho ancora un bacio... è Tuo
ugo

[Baaz1 0]

C est quoi encore cette histoire ? depuis quand est il interdit de parler venoms ici ?

[Chance-reptil-virus 0]

Hi Ugo !

I don't understand why you say that.

All venomous snake breeder have the right to post photos of his specimens and to speak freely. To exchange experiences and knowledge.
Do you feel rejected, ignored because you keep and breed venomous snake?
If so, I'm sorry because this is not the goal.

It is a free forum to talk about whatever you want without any worries.
I never put vemomous some snake breeder "aside".
On the contrary, they have their place here as all other members.
There is no ban for that.

Tell me more because I don't understand your reaction.

Have a nice day.

[Marie-Laure1111 0]

A Reptil-Virus, tu peux parler de venimeux comme tu le sens. Personne ici ne te fera de l'hypocrisie. Personne ici ne te fera de remarque désagréable. La section venimeux existe, c'est pour s'en servir.

Celui ou celle qui, pour une raison ou une autre, est désobligeant, il se verra à son tour embêté par la modo et les administrateurs.

A Reptil-virus, puoi parlare di velenoso come lo senti. Nessuno qui non ti farà dell'ipocrisia. Nessuno qui non ti farà di osservazione sgradevole. La sezione velenosa esiste, è per servirsi.

Quell'o quella che, per una ragione o un'altro, è sgarbato, si vedrà al suo giro infastidito dal modo e gli amministratori.

[ugo02 0]

Scusate avevo solo inteso male.Lieto di sapere che non ci sono tabù a riguardo.
Grazie Chance
e tutti Voi


Sorry, my fault, i misanderstood; glad to learn this is a Forum of freedom.
Thanks
Chance
and Everybody

[Boomslang1 0]

ceci dit, moi, je suis d'accord avec Ugo concernant les autres forums
j'avoue qu'ici il y a nettement plus de liberté qu'ailleurs
concernant les venimeux en tout cas...

[Chance-reptil-virus 0]

You're welcome Ugo!
Yes, it is a forum of freedom and friendship.

Post all venomous snakes you want, I love them.

Bye

[Chance-reptil-virus 0]

Ugo, in France it is not always easy to talk about poisonous snakes because our laws are very strict about this.
Also, only breeders who have passed the "Certificate of Capacity" can post pics of their snakes..
But we like to see beautiful creatures and to comment the pics.
Also, go on to post great pics for our enjoyment at all.


Ugo, en France il n'est pas toujours facile de discuter de serpents venimeux car nos lois sont très rigoureuses à ce propos.
Aussi, seuls les éleveurs possédant Le "Certificat de Capacité'" postent des photos.
Mais on aime à voir des magnifiques créatures et à commenter les photos.
Aussi, continue à poster de belles photos pour notre plaisir à tous.

[ugo02 0]

"Certificate of Capacity", capacity of doing what?
if i can ask

ehm can u explain in chat if u prefer


"Certificat de capacité", la capacité de faire quoi?
si je peux demander

ehm on peut en discuter en chat si vous préférez

[ugo02 0]

how could one have any capacity if he isn't allowed to rise experience?


i have to apologize, i understand i m annoying U all, but ur law is very strange for me.

anyway lots of snakes-handling courses all around the world



Comment pourrait-on avoir toute capacité, si l'on n'est pas autorisé à acquérir de l'expérience?
Je dois m'excuser, je comprends que je suis peut-être embêtant avec vous, mais vos lois sont très étranges pour moi.

De toute façon, de nombreux cours sur la façon de manipuler des serpents sont donnés partout dans le monde.

[Chance-reptil-virus 0]

Oh, It's very long to explain.
It is a Certificate that gives the right to keep venomous snakes in good condtions and in accordance with our laws.
In France, we're not allowed to keep venomous snakes in captivity if we have not passed that famous "Certificate of Capacity."

If one keeps venomous snakes, spiders and other genus of snakes without being the holder of this Certificate, we can receive a large fine to pay, seizure of animals and a prison sentence after going to trial.

You do not have it in Italy?

C'est très long à expliquer.
C'est un Certificat qui donne le droit à maintenir des serpents venimeux dans de bonnes condtions et en accord avec nos lois.
En france, nous n'avons pas le droit de maintenir des serpents venimeux en captivité si l'on a pas passer ce fameux Certificat de Capacité.

Si l'on possède des serpents venimeux, des arachnides et d'autres genres de serpents sans être détenteur de ce Certificat, on reçoit une forte amende à payer, une saisie des bêtes et une peine de prison après être passé en jugement.

Vous n'avez pas cela en Italie ?

[ugo02 0]

ok, ok . i understand it is only a tax to pay, in order to have ur name on the 'black-sheeps'
register, not a real 'certificate u obtaIN CAUSE U R REALLY EXPERIENCED, like the 'permis de conduire' for the cars.
i apologize for my dullness

[Baaz1 0]

Now you can show us your animals so...............let s do it !

[Marie-Laure1111 0]

Mettici delle foto delle tue bestie per favore !

[Chance-reptil-virus 0]

Chers membres français merci de traduire ce que vous écrivez afin que tout le monde vous comprenne.

[Chance-reptil-virus 0]

Oh Ugo, just a tax to pay ! Cool for you !

Oh Ugo, vous n'avez qu'une taxe à payer ! cool !

[Johannes111 0]

No I think there are some misunderstanding here... Both Ugo and us don't have a tax to pay, gthat would be too simple.

We don't have a tax to pay. Our "CDC" like we call it here, is a kind of exam we have to pass.
First we need to do some training session with hot snakes, including 50 hours of practice with someone experienced with genus you're asking for, + 20 hours of theory (general knowledge about snakes , venom and things like that). Then we have to built a complete file including quite a few chapter in order to proove we can keep those beauty without any danger for both the snakes and peoples. And even with 2 or more training session, the departmental veterinary services can refuse for one reason or an other.... That could take a few years sometime.

That's a really a quick and simplified answer on what it's a CDC but you can have an idea...

Non je pense qu'il y a eu quelques incompréhensions. ni ugo ni nous n'avons à payer de taxe, ça serait bien trop simple.

Nous n'avons pas à payer une taxe. Notre CDC, comme nous l’appelons ici, est une sorte d'examen que nous devons passer. Premièrement nous devons effectuer des stages avec des serpents venimeux, comprenant 50 heures de pratique avec quelqu'un d'expérimenté avec les genres demandés, + 20 heures de théorie (connaissances générale sur les serpents, les venins, les choses comme ça. Puis nous devons faire un dossier complet avec pas mal de chapitre afin de prouver que nous pouvons garder ces animaux sans danger pour les animaux ou les tierces personnes. Et même avec 2 ou 3 stages, la DDSV peut refuser de nous l'accorder pour une raison ou une autre. Cela peut prendre quelques années des fois.

C'est vraiment une réponse rapide et simplifiée sur ce qu'est un CDC, mais ça te donnera une bonne idée...

[Chance-reptil-virus 0]

Good summary of the CDC Johannes! ! Hard to do better.


Très bon résumé du CDC Johannes ! Difficile de faire mieux.

[ugo02 0]

Thanks,




1) it is so hard also to obtain an 'hunting license'?, i think it will be easier to buy a gun, there.
2) what does it happen if the training person goes bitten at the experienced-keeper's facility? who is to be blamed?

[Johannes111 0]

Ugo,

1. I don't think it's especially hard. It could be a good way to see if the person is motivated to maintain such animals.

2. It must not happen hehe.