Interrogations sur deux nouvelles moulées?

[ShawnBC 0]

Bonsoir!

On a reçu deux nouvelles formules au magasin, et j'aimerais l'avis des plus connaisseurs que moi, histoire de bien conseiller les clients (je connais les bases, mais je cherche un avis plus poussé).

Premièrement, Pro Plan Selects. À mon avis, la Pro Plan de base est un moyenne gamme d'animalerie, alors, comment pourrait-on qualifier la nouvelle formule (j'ai pris la Saumon et riz brun, mais il y a 3 autres sortes)?

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Ingredients:
Salmon, brown rice, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), oat meal, canola meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), pearled barley, dried egg product, brewers dried yeast, natural flavor, potassium chloride, salt, dried sweet potatoes, blueberry pomace, dried tomatoes, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, salt, choline chloride, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), niacin, copper proteinate, calcium carbonate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

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Guaranteed Analysis %:
Crude Protein (Min).......................................27
Crude Fat (Min).............................................17
Moisture (Max)..............................................12
Crude Fiber (Max)...........................................4
Omega-6 Fatty Acids** (Min).......................1.75
Linoleic Acid (Min)........................................1.5
Calcium (Ca) (Min)..........................................1
Glutamine** (Min)...........................................1
Phosphorus (P) (Min)....................................0.9
Omega-3 Fatty Acids** (Min).......................0.75
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA)** (Min)...........0.25
Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA)** (Min)............0.25

Et ensuite, la nouvelle version de Science Diet, la Science Diet Nature's Best. À la base, j'vous cacherai pas que j'ai pas une bin bin bonne opinion de Science Diet, mais je leur laisse le bénéfice du doute, peut-être ont-il été capable de créer un pas pire produit. Encore ici, j'ai pris la Poulet et Riz Brun, mais il existe d'autres sortes.

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Ingredients: Chicken, Brown Rice, Whole Grain Wheat, Cracked Pearled Barley, Soybean Meal, Chicken Meal, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Egg Product, Natural Flavor, Whole Grain Oats, Apples, Cranberries, Soybean Oil, Peas, Carrots, Dried Beet Pulp, Iodized Salt, Flaxseed, Broccoli, Vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Vitamin E Supplement, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Calcium Carbonate, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract

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Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein......................................Min. 21.5%
Crude Fat............................................Min. 12.5%
Crude Fiber.........................................Max. 3.5%
Moisture..............................................Max. 10.0%
Ash......................................................Max. 5.5%
Calcium...............................................Min. 0.5%
Phosphorus.........................................Min. 0.4%
Vitamin E.............................................Min. 400 IU/kg
Ascorbic acid*(Vitamin C)....................Min. 120 mg/kg

Bon, alors, vous en pensez quoi? Dans les deux cas, nous avons une protéine entière en premier ingrédient (et non un sous-produit de protéine comme dans la formule de base de Science Diet), du riz brun, de l'orge, des sources d'antioxydants.. Etc.

Est-ce là un véritable coup de chapeau de ces deux marques, peut-on espérer un produit d'une assez bonne qualité, ou est-ce là deux-trois bleuets de plus, un nouveau nom, un nouveau logo et une belle façon de nous fourrer encore plus à l'aide du mot "holistique"?

Et, comment les compareriez vous à 1st Choice, Nutro et Nutro Ultra, Eukanuba, Technical, etc?

Merci, et bonne soirée

Signé un gars qui veut pas conter des mensonges à ses clients

[ShawnBC 0]

En tout cas, laissez moi vous dire que je trouve ca très drôle que toutes les compagnies, depuis le rappel de Procter et Gamble, tentent de sortir des produits "holistiques" et naturels.. Coïncidence? Je ne crois pas.

En tout cas, il va falloir plus que des morceaux de viande et des beaux petits légumes cru sur les sacs pour me convaincre..

[smouc_girl1 0]

Je vais essayer de répondre de mon mieux et ma connaissance et du temps que j,a ice soir (sinon je pourrais rechercher chaque ingrédients savoir si c'est bon ou non)..


Pro Plan Selects

Ingredients:
Salmon, brown rice, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), oat meal, canola meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), pearled barley, dried egg product, brewers dried yeast, natural flavor, potassium chloride, salt, dried sweet potatoes, blueberry pomace, dried tomatoes, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, salt, choline chloride, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), niacin, copper proteinate, calcium carbonate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Je suis pas BEN bonne pour les analyses garantis. Donc je vasi me contenter de donner mon point de vue sur les listes d'ingrédients:

En gras:

Brown rice: deuxième ingrédient, yen a pas mal
Oat meal: en quatrième place + riz brun ça en fait pas mal

Mais c'est mieux que Maïs, soya ou blé

Salt: à moins que tu es fais une erreur Shawn, il est là deux fois! Juste avec ça je 'décroche'.. Le sel de vrait être dans les derniers ingrédients, et ce n'est pas le cas. Le sel en trop grande quantité, comme ici, est nocif.

C'est tout ce que j'ai noté, donc dans l'ensemble: mieux que beaucoup de formule, mais pas génial à tout cassé.

Surtout que je ne croit pas que les ingrédients soit de qualité consommation humaine ça c ben important pour moi.

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Science Diet Nature's Best


Ingredients: Chicken, Brown Rice, Whole Grain Wheat, Cracked Pearled Barley, Soybean Meal, Chicken Meal, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Egg Product, Natural Flavor, Whole Grain Oats, Apples, Cranberries, Soybean Oil, Peas, Carrots, Dried Beet Pulp, Iodized Salt, Flaxseed, Broccoli, Vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Vitamin E Supplement, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Calcium Carbonate, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract

Beaucoup de céréales et de 'lest' dans les premiers ingrédients.

Encore là pour moi le sel est trop au debut de la liste.

Et je m'imagine que c'est pas plus des ingrédients qualité conso-humaines..

Pas débile finalement, mais frnachement mieux que bien bien d'autres choses. Mais je ne l'utiliserait pas pour mes animaux.

Et Science Diet je , la bouffe prescription diet me fais chi** c'est vraiment dégueulasse et ben ben ordinaire comme bouffe. Dans le science diet normal il utilise le BHA dans les agents de conservation.

[ShawnBC 0]

Héhéhéh, Hill's (Science Diet ET Prescription Diet) est cotée 1 étoile sur le site www.dogfoodanalysis.com

Je viens de découvrir ce site et je crois que ce deviendra mon meilleur ami!

[ShawnBC 0]

Selon le même site, la Nature's Best de Science Diet est cotée 2 étoiles, donc 1 étoile de plus que la Hill's normale.

Bon.. je crois que j'ai réponse à ma question.

Même chose pour la Pro Plan Selects. 2 étoiles à place de 1..

[inked 0]

Moi ce que je remarque en plus c'est:

Pro Plan Select
.....fish meal.....animal fat.......
heu, quel poisson? et gras de quel animal? quoi il savent pas eux-meme? donc j'imagine pas la qualité et ça vien de ou....
j'aime bien savoir ce que je mange, donc pour les chiens aussi

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Dans les deux cas, nous avons une protéine entière en premier ingrédient (et non un sous-produit de protéine comme dans la formule de base de Science Diet),

Mais ça, ça ne veut pas dire grand chose (mais au moin il y a!) car j'ai appris qu'il doivent vider cette viande de son eau (donc la transformer en ''farine'') avant de l'incorporer a la recette, ce qui fait qu'elle perd plusieurs place dans le classement quand on sais que c'est classé au poid.

Je suis pas ''calée'' en alimentation, mais j'apprend, donc si je fais erreur me le dire! pour pas dire de niaiserie

[ShawnBC 0]

Tiens, si jamais ca vous intéresse et si vous lisez l'anglais (finalement, j'aurais du chercher un peu à place de vous demander des réponses, j'avais la réponse sous le nez):

PRO PLAN SELECTS

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Pros: First ingredient is a named meat product
Cons: Inadequate meat content, low quality grains, fat of unidentifiable origin, controversial filler


The first ingredient is a named meat product, but this is not a meal ingredient, meaning that it is inclusive of water content (about 80%). Once that is removed, as it must be to create a dehydrated product, the ingredient will weigh around 20% of its wet weight. Ingredients are listed in order of weight, and the dehydrated ingredient would probably be more accurately placed much further down the ingredient list. The first true meat ingredient does not occur until 6th on the ingredient list, makin git extremely unlikely that this product contains any meaningful amount of meat. There is a further meat meal ingredient is 7th on the ingredient list, but this is too far down to make a substantial contribution to the meat content of this food. This is a fish meal ingredient, but We find no guarantee on the manufacturers website that protein sources are ethoxyquin-free (ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative commonly added to fish destined for meal, and is believed to be carcinogenic).


The first grain, and the main ingredient, in the food is brewers rice. This is a low quality ingredient and byproduct. Corn is a difficult to digest grain that is commonly associated with food allergy problems in dogs. Corn Gluten Meal is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm. In plain English, that bit of the corn leftover after most of the nutritious bits have been removed. Oatmeal and barley are good quality grains, but are beginning to be amongst the minor ingredients.


Animal fat is an ingredient of unidentified origin for which it is impossible to determine species, source or quality. Unidentified ingredients are usually very low quality. AAFCO define this asobtained from the tissues of mammals and/or poultry in the commercial processes of rendering or extracting. It consists predominantly of glyceride esters of fatty acids and contains no additions of free fatty acids. If an antioxidant is used, the common name or names must be indicated, followed by the words "used as a preservative". We would prefer to see the use of whole eggs rather than egg product in the food.


Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.


There is a small range of fruit/vegetable matter in the food. We note that this product includes synthetic vitamin K, a substance linked to liver problems and that is progressively being removed from better quality dog food products.

SCIENCE DIET NATURE'S BEST

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Pros: First ingredient is a named meat product
Cons: Inadequate meat content, controversial filler


The first ingredient is a named meat product. It is not a meal ingredient, meaning that it is inclusive of water content (about 80%). Once that is removed, as it must be to create a dehydrated product, the ingredient will weigh around 20% of its wet weight. Ingredients are listed in order of weight, and the dehydrated ingredient would probably be more accurately placed much further down the ingredient list. The only true meat ingredient is chicken meal, 6th on the ingredient list. It is thus unlikely that this product contains any significant amount of meat at all (as confirmed by its "dinner" label, which is applied to products containing less than 25% of the suggested meat product by WET weight).


This product is primarily comprised of grains. Rice and barley are decent quality grains, but wheat is a less desirable ingredient. This is, at least, a whole grain but wheat is very commonly an allergy problem for dogs and we prefer not to see it used in dog foods. Soybean meal is a cheap source of additional protein, but compared to actual meat provides low quality protein. Soy is also commonly an allergy problem for dogs.


We would prefer to see the use of whole eggs rather than egg product in the food, although the range of fruits/vegetables is appreciated. Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.

www.dogfoodanalysis.com

[Laurie08 0]

Quand je travaillait dans le domaine Science Diet et Proplan même le Select étaient les 2 marques que je recommandais le moins a mes clients...

[ShawnBC 0]

Mais c'pas comme si on avait quelque chose de bin bin mieux non plus. Selon les ratings de www.dogfoodanalysis.com, nos meilleurs bouffes seraient le Eagle Pack (3 et 4 étoiles), 1st Choice (2 étoiles) et quelques autres.. Le Pro Plan Select et l'autre Science Diet seraient dans nos tops.