Vos opinions de livre?

[ShawnBC 0]

Mes parents veulent que je leur fasse une liste de Noël car comme à chaque année, j'ai encore rien demandé et ils ne savent pas quoi m'offrir, ce qu'ils tiennent absolument à faire.

Je me demandais si vous aviez des suggestions de livres, anglais ou français, sur différents domaines du monde canin.

Pour l'instant, j'ai;

The bully breeds, par David Dr. Harris, The Pitbull placebo, par Karne Delise et The working Pitbull, par Diane Jessup; ils ont tous les 3 d'excellentes critiques sur le PitBullForum.

Ensuite, je m'intéresse aussi au livre The other end of the leash, par Patricia B. McConnell.

Est-ce qu'il y a d'autres livres qui doivent absolument se retrouver dans la bibliothèque d'un passionné? En passant, oubliez les grosses encyclopédies de races, j'en ai déjà 3 ou 4 hihi!

Merci!

[Noodles1 0]

Achète les tous...

Le but c'est de lire le plus possible, je trouve ca malsain d'avoir un seul livre comme bible...

[gin1 0]

Bones would rain from the sky est mon livre préféfé. Ecrit par Suzanne Clothier. Ça se lit comme un roman et ça parle d'éducation canine et de comportement. Un pur délice de lecture.

Sinon, tous les ouvrages de Patricia McConnell. Tu peux aussi demander un DVD.

[ShawnBC 0]

Mais, je sais pas si j'ai envie de m'aventurer dans un livre sur le dressage/comportement, parce qu'en général, j'ai pu remarquer que c'est soit très traditionnel ou soit renforcement positif, ca prêche pour sa paroisse et l'autre côté de la médaille, c'est mauvais comparé à à la philosophie du lecteur.

Il n'y a pas de livre à ma connaissance qui traite de R+ mais en intégrant des notions de P- et de Nothing in life is free. Et puis, lorsque c'est trop adopte ma mentalité, ca me rapelle la religion et je décroche.

C'est pour ça que je voulais vos commentaires, à savoir lesquels sont "un ou l'autre" et lesquels traitent de tous les côtés de la médaille.

Et comme tu dis Jeepee, c'est sûr que je veux aller chercher de l'information partout, car je veux me forger ma propre mentalité/opinion en prenant ce que j'aime un peu partout.

[Jaelle1 0]

Lit Patricia McConnel tu vas adorer, elle est très pratico-pratique et terre à terre!

[ShawnBC 0]

Merci Jaelle! Je viens de lire un extrait de son livre The other end of the leash sur PitBullForum et je dois dire que j'aime beaucoup son style d'écriture et sa mentalité et de voir les choses. Car, bien qu'elle soit plutôt du genre renforcement positif et conditionnement opérant (de ce que j'ai pu comprendre), elle ne rejette pas totalement les théories de rang social et de dominance chez le chien, mais elle y apporte une nuance que j'aime bien et que tout le monde devrait lire, je crois. Car pour elle, dominance et "alpha" ne veut pas dire des corrections physiques ou des contraintes stressantes à ses chiens lorsqu'il n'écoute pas, comparativement à la croyance populaire véhiculée!

Je me permet de citer l'article en question, que j'aime beaucoup! Désolé pour ceux qui ne parlent pas anglais...

Patricia B. McConnell, Ph.D a écrit:

[...] So we need to be careful when we talk about the social behavior of "dogs," because the same dog can act differently depending on her environment.

Understanding social status is particularly important because misunderstanding what "dominance" means has led to appallingly abusive behavior. So much old-fashioned obedience training could be summarized as, "Do it because I told you to, and if you don't, I'll hurt you." [...] after all, we're the humans and they're the dogs, and surely humans have more social status than dogs. If a dog didn't obey, then he was challenging his owner's social status and needed to be forcibly disciplined [...] Regrettably the attitude that we must get dominance over our dogs with physical force works in some cases, especially with happy-go-lucky and relatively tough-skinned dogs like some hunting breeds. Bred for stamina and a "never-say-die" attitude, a lot of these dogs accept gruff corrections and "dominance displays" with equanimity. But this approach terrorizes many dogs and leads to dogs who are afraid of their owners or who become defensively aggressive because they perceive that they are under attack all the time.

[...] Many humans equate "dominance" with "aggression" and quickly buy into using aggression to get what they want. The irony is that dominance is actually a social construct designed to decrease aggression [...] A hierarchical social system allows individuals to resolve conflicts without having to fight. Any individual who truly has a lot of social status has enough power that he or she doesn't need to use force. [...]

"Status," "dominance," and "aggression" are completely different things, and it does our dogs no good when we confuse them. Status is a position or rank within a society, while dominance describes a relationship among individuals, with one having more status than others in a particular context. Aggression is not a necessary component of dominance. Aggression, as defined by biologists, is an action that intends to cause harm, while dominance is a position within a hierarchy. A bloody riot in which a monarch is killed is an example of human aggression, while the fact that there was a monarch at all is an example of a social hierarchy. That monarch or president or pack leader might have been selected without violence, perhaps through family relationships with past monarchs or an election. Thus, aggression and the threat of it can be used to achieve a higher social status, but it often isn't necessary. [...]

If dominance is not the same as aggression, then what is it? [...] Dominance was defined as "priority access to preferred, limited resources" -- nothing less, nothing more. It's about one bone on the ground, two individuals who want it, and who gets it. [...] It's priority access (I get it first) to preferred (I really want it), limited (there's not enough to share) resources (the best food, the best sleeping place, the best office, and so on, and so forth).

The aspect of dominance that's important to dog owners is the social freedom that comes with it. Some dogs will mug you relentlessly to get you to pet them but then growl at you later when you reach to pet them in their dog bed. Dogs who are status-seeking and who see themselves as high up in the social order feel the freedom to touch you and solicit petting when they feel like it but will warn you off for taking such social liberties yourself. [...]

Certainly all dogs do not want to be dominant, although some trainers assume that they do. It's true that many dogs [...] are social climbers, always looking for a step up in how they are seen by others. Most of these dogs do what they can to improve their station in life and then accept where they end up in the pack. [...]

Other individuals, whether human or canine, just don't seem to care. Not everyone wants to carry the weight of the group on his or her shoulders. [...] There's nothing right or wrong about either perspective. Societies like ours probably need that variety in order to work smoothly. [...]

Whether an individual is status-seeking is important to know, because the most aggression in social hierarchies in many species is among members of the beta group, the status-seeking individuals who have not achieved dominance but are jockeying for position. [...]

Aggression within the beta category of social status is common in many species with a social hierarchy, including humans. Any sociologist will tell you that the most tension and outright aggression in a corporation is in middle management [...] Lots of people want to be at the top of the beta category, to be the one who has the dominant individual's ear -- with free access to the throne, whether it's occupied by an alpha male or the president of the United States. I call it the Kissinger phenomenon, and I see it in dogs all the time. [...]

Given that rank is important to both humans and dogs, how does that affect our interactions with each other? It's not completely clear whether individuals of two different species, like humans and dogs, can merge into one social unit and hold different positions in a hierarchy. [...] My own opinion is that dogs and humans can coexist within one social hierarchy because of the definitions of dominance and social status. If dominance is "priority access to resources" and confers more social freedom on one individual over the others, then it seems logical that individuals who live together in a house full of resources share the same problems as group-living animals anywhere. If you drop a pork chop between you and your dog, you are two individuals who both want the same thing that you don't want to share.

I commonly see dogs who challenge people in the family whom they probably perceive as lower-ranking (small, soft-voiced, nurturing females especially) but have never once challenged more authoritative family members. Additionally dogs greet humans with the same visual signals that they use when they greet members of their own species, heads down or up, tails stiff or wagging. Most dogs don't approach other species that way: they sniff them as objects of interest, play with them like toys [...] or treat them like prey items. [...] Dogs behave as though they see us as a part of their social circle [...] Even though we're of two different species, we live together, sleep together, eat together, and have conflicts over resources.

[...] But the perception of social rank is complicated in a household that includes humans and dogs, because even the most spoiled of dogs has to wait for his human to open the door, get out the dog food, or get the leash. I suspect that most status-seeking dogs see themselves either as being high up in the beta category or as being in a complicated and fluid negotiation with their owner for the alpha position. [...]

[...] two important principles that all dog owners would do well to understand: First, social status is relevant in our relationship with dogs, but it's only one of many aspects of our interactions with them. With some dogs, especially the kind that aren't status-seeking, the attention that dominance has been given is out of proportion to its relevance. Second, for those dogs to whom social status is relevant, the last thing owners should be doing is using harsh, punishment-oriented training techniques. They are rarely necessary and should be considered unacceptable, just as it is no longer considered acceptable to beat wives or children. Keep in mind that there are basically three types of homes in which your dog can live: a home in which the humans use force and intimidation to get the dog to be obedient; a home in which your dog has all the social control and gets what he wants whenever he wants it; or a peaceful, harmonious household in which you are a wise, benevolent leader. You get to choose. Just remember, your dog can't.

[MJo1 0]

Je te suggère Purely Positive Training de Sheila Booth et bien sur Don't Shoot the Dog de Karen Prior.

[ShawnBC 0]

Merci Marie-Josée, je vais aller voir un peu pour ces deux livres là! :43:

[gabriel03 0]

"The culture clash" et "Oh behave!", de Jean Donaldson.

http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/180-9879950-3337324?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jean+donaldson

[gabriel03 0]

J'oubliais: "Dogs, a new understanding of canine origin, behavior and evolution", par Raymond et Lorna Coppinger.
http://www.amazon.ca/Dogs-Understanding-Canine-Behavior-Evolution/dp/0226115631/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225332264&sr=1-1


"Pet food politics", par Marion Nestle.
http://www.amazon.ca/Pet-Food-Politics-Chihuahua-Coal/dp/0520257812/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225332231&sr=8-1

[Jaelle1 0]

Raw Meaty Bones promotes health de Tom Lonsdale

On calming terms with dogs de Turid Rugaas

[Tiger1111 0]

Salut vous tous

Est-ce que vous connaissez des pas pire livre en français aussi, car je dois faire ma liste également, mais je ne lit pas l'anglais snifff

[melo_et_jez1 0]

Bully, de Paul 107. Un excellent livre sur les pits...pas une tonne de texte mais des photos superbes, très "artsy".

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bully/Paul-107/e/9781550226638

[Tiger1111 0]

J'ai vu ce livre là sur le net quelqu'un l'a lu ??

Le chien, un loup civilisé
de Evelyne Teroni (Auteur), Jennifer Cattet (Auteur)