Bienvenue à la Révolution!

[Jon Davidson 0]

I agree too that Mr. rancor's words are eloquent and most relevant, as are the words of Mr. JSI, Mr. Stevie, Mr. LD/50, Ms. Melanie76 and of course Mr. Pogue's. One need only to consider that this Mr./Ms. Beekeeper individual prefers the safety of anonymity in which to launch such a strident personal attack and that simply speaks for itself. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

[D. Pogue 0]

A dozen long-stem roses will be sent at my own personal expense to the Markham, Ontario hospital room of shiny-noo Repticlic member "beekeeper" where he is currently recovering from a complex surgical procedure to remove the collective feet of several angry fellow members from his colon. In addition, I have arranged for a full orchestra to set up in the hospital parking lot and continually serenade our friend "beekeeper" with John Philip Sousa's "Liberty Bell March" at full volume, day and night, until I am assured his convalescence is complete. It's the least I could do.


Was that idiotic addition to this Thread really necessary? Is the public displaying of this sort of nonsensical unfocused rambling why any of us are here?? What a waste of valuable space "page 7" has been so far. Instead of enjoying a Thread about Nature, Herpetology, Evolutionary Biology, Photography, and RealSnakes (tm).........we're subjected to this "investor's" drivel........not on his own "territory", where frankly none of us would even see it........but here on Repticlic. And now we all, myself included, get diverted away from the real reason most of us are here, or why we were first fascinated with reptiles. What a shame.

Please tell me the post in question was intended strictly as a joke.....a "set up", no? It was one of those "internet suicide attempts" that we keep reading about, right? Or perhaps it was the written equivalent of a juicy batting-practice fastball, served up just for our amusement?

No???

Isn't it confusing when "Law & Order" breaks down? I mean, when things or even people are just "out of place"........."Not where they belong", so to speak? Picture a huge, fresh turd sitting in an otherwise pristine spring-fed mountain pool. You get the picture. Posters like this individual really do have a place in this "e-world" where they actually fit in, though........where they have safety in numbers........where they truly belong. We all know where that place is, don't we? Why don't they just stay there, I wonder?

I must admit here that I'm left to wonder why anyone would bother to post this sort of puerile, entry-level sewage here on Repticlic, or anywhere else for that matter. Why is the posting of a vehement and obviously personal attack like this one considered to be appropriate by anyone, even a terribly self-involved "investor"? How does anyone find the time to follow a small group from one site to another in order to submit for public consumption such poorly written material? Would it be out of line for me to suggest that this particular individual probably should have consulted an editor prior to posting these unsolicited and rather garbled words? Perhaps the sad reality is that individuals posting such material under the veil of anonymity likely feel absolutely no sense of embarrassment or shame at their own conduct, despite the obvious shallowness of their "opinions" and the completely value-free "content" they continually post here and elsewhere.

I'd like to personally and cordially invite this individual to stay "over there" and to continue to grace that particular project with his, ya know, valuable contributions to The Hobby. I suspect that his "experienced" observations and "industry-based" offerings are in fact truly valued over there, but are of little or no interest to anyone here with a desire to share information and photographs, to discus and learn about reptiles, their ecology, their biology, or even to explore the world of Herpetology in general.

I suppose that's a polite way of saying......"Go pound"........

Regards,
D.

ps- To "Brandon".......if in fact you actually exist........Working with "bees" and "spiders" opens one up to so many potentially dangerous situations. All that "biting" and "stinging", you know. Why not try snakes for a change? Maybe even some RealSnakes (tm) as pictured here on this very Thread. Just a thought.

pps - One final thought. This is for all of the "Money & Morph"-types like this fellow who now completely dominate the Reptile Hobby. Why can't you guys just accept the fact that you've WON?? If there ever was a "battle", it's over. The Reptile Hobby is now officially ruled by money-and-novelty-motivated "investors". It's all yours, guys. Don't you all understand that this little "revolution" we have going here is nothing but an inside joke involving perhaps ten or twenty dedicated participants? We're not cutting into your "market share" here. Some of us have legitimate concerns about the destructive meddling that has been done and is still being done to the captive reptilian gene pool. Why is that concept so contentious? Why can't you all simply accept your overwhelming, crushing victory, won decisively in the name of commerce and deformity above all else?? And, once you've done that, why can't you just leave us alone in our own tiny little corner here?

[Nir 0]

The Don Pogue a écrit:

pps - One final thought. This is for all of the "Money & Morph"-types like this fellow who now completely dominate the Reptile Hobby. Why can't you guys just accept the fact that you've WON?? If there ever was a "battle", it's over. The Reptile Hobby is now officially ruled by money-and-novelty-motivated "investors". It's all yours, guys. Don't you all understand that this little "revolution" we have going here is nothing but an inside joke involving perhaps ten or twenty dedicated participants? We're not cutting into your "market share" here. Some of us have legitimate concerns about the destructive meddling that has been done and is still being done to the captive reptilian gene pool. Why is that concept so contentious? Why can't you all simply accept your overwhelming, crushing victory, won decisively in the name of commerce and deformity above all else?? And, once you've done that, why can't you just leave us alone in our own tiny little corner here?

Amen to that.


But now, to get back on track. Here is a little photo essay of a sub species that is overlooked because they don't keep their shiny coat thru adulthood. Once they're old, they are considered jumpy & more worthless than any other sub species in this complex. I still find them fascinating for their size appetite and general demeanor.

L. t. andesiana




These are also a favorite of mine. The colour change is another proof that nature does some fascinating things.




ps. Any other Lampropeltine fan out there?

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D. Pogue a écrit:

Don't you all understand that this little "revolution" we have going here is nothing but an inside joke involving perhaps ten or twenty dedicated participants? We're not cutting into your "market share" here. Some of us have legitimate concerns about the destructive meddling that has been done and is still being done to the captive reptilian gene pool. Why is that concept so contentious?

A good post and well said, as always, Mr. Pogue. In my view, the issue, as I've said before on another Canadian Reptile web site, is one of principles and values. People can reveal a great deal about themselves when discussing their values and ethics. Snakes have an inherent value beyond what they're 'worth' on a contrived commercial marketplace. Hence the almost always anonymous invective that is directed towards the individuals who have a different point of view than the 'Money and Morph' breeders who see Reptiles as having only a dollar value as a commodity. I invite all these 'Money and Morph' folks to grow a pair of testicles and come onto this Thread and post openly without the safety of an anonymous alias and discuss their perspectives on this issue with me and let the people decide for themselves which constrasting point of view has the greater merit. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

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rancor_ a écrit:

Why is it that the so called “purists” are the enemy in the hobby then? We morph haters are only looking beyond what short term investors deem valuable. Someone that has never even held a reptile coming into herptoculture is welcomed in with open arms by the “pioneers” of deleterious gene breeding, why? Because it’s good for business. Someone speaking openly about the damage this causes is branded as evil simply because it’s “bad for business”, to be silenced at all costs. There is a word for people that attempt to sequester knowledge, and they shouldn’t exist in the society we are led to believe we live in....

Morphs of no kind are the long term future in this hobby. They can’t be. The past 15 years of butchery will probably only elevate the need for closed collections that are unviolated by the lack of convictions that keepers let dominate their cash obsessed minds. The inability to find an unadulterated animal will eventually make wild-types the prize, and the mutants that spew forth from the cloacas once again will be fodder for the pickle jar, or fed to “perfectly healthy snakes”. I have to believe it, even if the wisdom of the keeper says otherwise.

PPPPS : “Good day, PussCake!”

Very, very well put, Rob.

A little "rancor_", followed by a little "Walt Kowalski". Who could ask for more?

I sincerely hope that all of this, even the effluent provided by one hopelessly deluded individual, is not summarily deleted or consigned to the rubbish bin. It's all part of the bigger picture...........at least I hope it is.........

Jon Davidson a écrit:

I invite all these 'Money and Morph' folks to grow a pair of testicles and come onto this Thread and post openly without the safety of an anonymous alias and discus their perspectives on this issue with me and let the people decide for themselves which contrasting point of view has the greater merit.

Mr. Davidson..........I would pay for the privilege of reading such a "debate". Here or anywhere else. It's unlikely to happen, though..........Most of these tiny, pathetic, anonymous "experts" don't have the balls (or the material) to take you up on your rather gracious offer. Too bad.

Regards,
D.

[Spankenstyne 0]

Wow I leave you kids alone for a few days and look at the mess you've made. It's going to take days to get the stains out..

Fortunately for the lounge the doors aren't to protect it from the big-bad outside world, but rather to protect the outside world from what lurks within...

[Fromhell 0]

beekeeper a écrit:

Nice to see this 'Master Of De Puppets' douchebag has found a new home, he was stinking up the old one for the rest of us there. Also great to see animal cruelty being encuraged feed one snake to another is ok is it?? So let me get this straight, he says its not ok for me to keep and breed Bee's and Spiders, but its ok for a know nothing a$$hole to feed perfetly good snakes (that could be sold to a good home) to other snakes? And the guy keeps garter snakes, oh great be so proud of your little garter snakes like a 10 year old kid would, LMAO. How much are your little garter snakes worth, Mr.."reptile expert"?? Prolly your whole collection is worth less than one of my breeder Bees. Try to get a new 7 series with the money from a bunch of stupid garter snakes. The dealer would laugh in your face, like most big snake breeders do now. I'm sick of hearing this anti morph crap all the time. Morphs are here to stay, how many people want to invest in normals? Your just another washed up old timer who cant even touch real pioneers like Corey Woods, Mark Mandic or Jeff Favelle. At least those top breeders have accomplished something worthwhile in this industry. Meaning something positive. Any of those breeders make more selling BP's or boa's in a week than this loser will make in 10 years!! BP morphs are the future of this industry, get used to it. And thanks for posting the missassaga rattlesnake pics, which BTW they are ILLEGAL TO KEEP Mr. expert!! Oh and I wonder how many of these 'original' photos are actually COPIED from the net and past off as his own??? Maybe all this stupid crap is why he was BANNED from Canadas biggest AND best reptile forum?? LMAO!!!

Well........at least you tried kid....
Im not even going to bother responding this, since you've already had your ass handed to you about 20x over. However I will say one thing........

Chris

[Pro_bug_catcher 0]

Just to start I'm not sure I've introduced myself (I sure haven't in English)...
I’m a third year biology student at UQAM, specialisation in ecology, in the same program as bistrobob85.

I don’t have snakes; I haven’t kept them (I’m an actual beekeeper, two hives waiting for spring, and I'm also an insect collector and keeper). But I do think all this is very interesting. I’ll probably keep snakes one day.

PS. Reading this is fun!
PSS. In my case (not) getting bit and stung is part of the thrill.

[JSI 0]

I agree with Pro_bug_catcher, reading this thread is fun.
Reptile forums are so dull without people like D.Pogue. We had a void of a few months that is now filled with great photos and thought provoking opinions from intelligent people that really enjoy reptiles. Whether we keep them as so called "pets" or just have an interest in them. We can all be happy that a place like this is open to us.

Jeremy


P.S. It's nice knowing none of this stuff will magically disappear or become "locked" and we won't get some dumb ass excuse that it was taken down because the pictures were removed.

[Jon Davidson 0]

D. Pogue a écrit:

Mr. Davidson..........I would pay for the privilege of reading such a "debate". Here or anywhere else. It's unlikely to happen, though..........Most of these tiny, pathetic, anonymous "experts" don't have the balls (or the material) to take you up on your rather gracious offer. Too bad.

Regards,
D.

Thank you for the kind words, Mr. Pogue. By the way, I too always enjoy Mr. Rancor's venomous sarcasm. It's almost unfortunate that this Mr. Beekeeper person decided to tuck his little anonymous tail between his legs and run like a wounded rabbit from the Thread. I would have enjoyed eviscerating him in a debate. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

[Jon Davidson 0]

JSI a écrit:

I agree with Pro_bug_catcher, reading this thread is fun.
Reptile forums are so dull without people like D.Pogue. We had a void of a few months that is now filled with great photos and thought provoking opinions from intelligent people that really enjoy reptiles. Whether we keep them as so called "pets" or just have an interest in them. We can all be happy that a place like this is open to us.

Jeremy


P.S. It's nice knowing none of this stuff will magically disappear or become "locked" and we won't get some dumb ass excuse that it was taken down because the pictures were removed.

Nicely said, Mr. JSI. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

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Marc Dubois a écrit:

reptilX a écrit:

JSI, mississauga rattlesnake is not a subspecie, it's the "sous-espèce nominal" sorry, I dont know this word in english... the scientific name is sistrurus catenatus catenus, for the one we can find in ontario

pourquoi as-tu écris cela xavier ?? personne ne parle de sous-espèces ??

C'était juste une référence a la ville de Mississauga (ou il n'y a pas de Massasauga...)

étrange, j'ai cru lire le mot "sous espece" dans sa question

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Hey guys, i just got back from France . Did a little herpetological tourism, although the reptiles are not out yet, but you'd be suprised of what we can find in Paris, MOUAHAHAHA!!!!

I see you guys have been able to find controversive opinions in the meanwhile, hehe. I guess it's part of the fun of keeping the morph people out, there has to be a whiney one every once in a while .

I should have some pics of the zoo at the Musée d'Histoire Naturelle as well as some more taken at La Ferme Tropicale, where i met some lovely little Thamnophis atratus, hmmmm... Pics comming soon .

phil.

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bistrobob85 a écrit:

i met some lovely little Thamnophis atratus, hmmmm... Pics comming soon .

Oh yeah! Phil, Thamnophis atratus pics are something I would love to see here .

I went herping on my lunch hour yesterday and again today, in a local large park. No luck so far, tho, not even the red eared sliders like I usually see there . I hope someone will post 'emerging garter' pics soon, I'm going stir crazy from all that winter weather LOL.

steven
PS I think I found some of beekeeper's teeth and one of his lungs when I was mopping and vacuuming the Lounge after closing time on Monday night, if anybody knows how to contact him we can hold his bits in the Lost & Found until he can claim them. After he heals up from that 'corrective surgery' I mean .

[Jon Davidson 0]

LD/50 a écrit:

PS I think I found some of beekeeper's teeth and one of his lungs when I was mopping and vacuuming the Lounge after closing time on Monday night, if anybody knows how to contact him we can hold his bits in the Lost & Found until he can claim them. After he heals up from that 'corrective surgery' I mean .

I suggest that we feed the remnant beekeeper parts to Mr. Pogue's Drymarchons. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

[D. Pogue 0]

Warning:
The following post contains "content".

These photographs were all taken today, under natural conditions. Only Natural Snakes are represented in these images. No snakes were "caught", "fondled", or otherwise interfered with in the creation of these images. This afternoon was an excercise in observation only. It's all "in situ" for this entry..........

In addition, please note that there are no "investment opportunities" hidden here.

Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis..........as observed today in all of The Glory Of Spring 2009.






















Beauty among the refuse.
























Count 'em......

LD/50 a écrit:

I think I found some of beekeeper's teeth and one of his lungs when I was mopping and vacuuming the Lounge after closing time on Monday night, if anybody knows how to contact him we can hold his bits in the Lost & Found until he can claim them. .

Oh my. Sorry, Steven. After your shift, I went in and cleaned out the Lounge's "Lost & Found" department (actually an old "SAQ" box from the store on St. Denis ). I saw the terrible condition of those broken teeth, and a couple of badly damaged organs, and tossed them all in the dumpster out back. I really figured that nobody would ever be able to make use of them again.

Regards,
DP

[Nir 0]

Great pictures Don. Looks like spring is here... I mean there... euh, I mean where you are... hehe...

Still a bit too cold here...

My guess is 5 on that "count the garters pic"...

[Superman811 0]

WOW man its the first time I check this post Its amazing , I love the pictures , Great Post thanks for sharing , where do you find Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis they are so nice

[JSI 0]

Excellent field shots of our beloved Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis.

I made an interesting observation the other day. Notice the arboreal tendencies of juvenile Pituophis melanoleucus lodingi…………………well maybe not but it is a funny series of pictures.







And some gratuitous cribo in shed pics. Note how opaque the eyes get.



Jeremy

[Pro_bug_catcher 0]

I thank lady Persephone, goddess of spring, and D. Pogue for the pictures... heartwarming!

Nir a écrit:

Still a bit too cold here...

She shouldn't be too long to come visit here.

P.S. A small Wikipedia search tells me there are a great deal of goddesses of spring... so take your pick : Beiwe and Rana Niejta (Sami), Vesna (Slavic), Atroa (Oeridian), Thallo (Greek, of spring growth, buds and flowers), Eostre/Ostara (pagan Saxon), Maia (old Italic), Flora (Roman, of spring and flowers), Persephone (Greek, again?)...

[Spankenstyne 0]

Thallo still needs some thawing out on this end of the world... We have had a couple of nice days so if it keeps up and can stay closer to 10ish I'm hoping to see something similar to Don's great pictures..

A query for those more experienced with lodingi, but is it normal for the shed skin to be so thick? It's my only Pituophis currently 4'+ and keeled scales aside, the shed skins seem to consistantly be quite thick compared to other colubrids I'm used to (Kings, Milks & Rats).

[Nir 0]

Spankenstyne a écrit:

A query for those more experienced with lodingi, but is it normal for the shed skin to be so thick? It's my only Pituophis currently 4'+ and keeled scales aside, the shed skins seem to consistantly be quite thick compared to other colubrids I'm used to (Kings, Milks & Rats).

That's an interesting query! I must say that now you mention it, my Spilotes (which have heavily keeled scale) do seem to have a thicker shed than the Milks, Rats and other stuff I keep. Don't know why though

[Spankenstyne 0]

Apparently we've stumped the band Nir
While deliberations continue & while it's technically the other snakes section it is still the VIP lounge... Just wanted to share some excitement from the basement. Just think of them as heavily armoured, legged snakes...Yeah that's it...


Happy to say that after a couple of days of major excavation & soil relocation by our big boned girl, this


Has happily turned into these:







So far so good but a long ways to go yet. Both came in at 1-13/16" and 25g. I knew they would be big but I still have no idea how she pushed those monsters out. They're nicely tucked into the incubator and now for the waiting... no Russian here...

[stevie 0]

A big Felicitation all the way from Toronto.Cheers "Frenchie the Roughneck"

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Congratulations on the tortoise eggs, Chris . That is a real accomplishment.......you're one up on me.......I've never bred or even kept tortoises. I have always liked the smaller species (and the North American Box Turtles) but I've just never made the space for a breeding group. That male in the "breeding portrait" certainly appears to be in fine form . I'd sure like to see photos of the hatchlings when they pop out.

Spankenstyne a écrit:

A query for those more experienced with lodingi, but is it normal for the shed skin to be so thick? It's my only Pituophis currently 4'+ and keeled scales aside, the shed skins seem to consistantly be quite thick compared to other colubrids I'm used to (Kings, Milks & Rats).

I have noticed the same "thickness" here on my P. m. lodingi, Chris. The shed skins from those guys, Spilotes (as Nick mentions), and even the various Drymarchon individuals I have kept here all appear to be tougher/thicker/more "durable" than the more diaphanous Elaphe or Thamnophis sheds. I'll bet that someone could come up with a theory or two on this phenomenon........it might make an interesting project. One thing I do know, though, is that certain Black Pinesnakes have a little problem with so-called "anger management". This adult male, for instance, is one half of the pair who produced your 2008 female (the one that's coming your way as soon as the weather permits!). As I (finally) began the process of awakening the group of brumating colubrids again this year, he expressed his displeasure with things in general.......and me specifically..........



















Regards,
D.

ps - "Angry Pinesnake Magazine"
pps - How can he be a "colour-brid" if he has no "colour"???
ppps -

[Superman811 0]

Mouhahahah CLint Eastwood Damn this guy's scary and so is the snake he looks pissed !!!

[stevie 0]

Very angry snake there Don,better grab your mittens.lol Cheers "Frenchie" P.S. Whats wrong with this weather ,i need some herping running through my veins before i get cranky.

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Spankenstyne a écrit:

Happy to say that after a couple of days of major excavation & soil relocation by our big boned girl, this
Has happily turned into these:

Nicely done, Mr. Spankenstyne; Good luck with the incubation. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

[Spankenstyne 0]

Thanks for the kind words. Being my first tortoise breeding, I'm very excited.

Don, anger management? I only see smiling faces

Sadly after a couple of nice days I was prepared to head out in the sunshine this morning for some hiking & possibly a few pictures of some early baskers... Unfortunately last night 15 cm of postponed until further noticed interfered...

[JSI 0]

D. Pogue a écrit:

I have noticed the same "thickness" here on my P. m. lodingi, Chris. The shed skins from those guys, Spilotes (as Nick mentions), and even the various Drymarchon individuals I have kept here all appear to be tougher/thicker/more "durable" than the more diaphanous Elaphe or Thamnophis sheds. I'll bet that someone could come up with a theory or two on this phenomenon........it might make an interesting project.

I wish I had viewed this thread earlier, I had two Drymarchon's shed within days of each other (Friday/Sunday) and would have loved to photography the tough skins to add to ths project. But alas they are gone, down the terlet as I do will all the sheds.

Very nice grumpy P.m.lodingi Don, nice to see that their will be a flood of screaming little black demons for the true reptile enthusiasts to enjoy this season.

Jeremy

P.S. I second “Angry Pinesnake Magazine”. That would be a publication worth reading, unlike the ever popular “Reptiles”.

[Nir 0]

Great lodingi shots Don. I have a question though. I thought black pines had heavily keeled scales? The one pictures seems to have rather smooth scales. Does this vary with the specimens?

JSI a écrit:

P.S. I second “Angry Pinesnake Magazine”. That would be a publication worth reading, unlike the ever popular “Reptiles”.

"Reptiles" has gotten very lame these past years... There is less and less interesting stuff from number to number. For those who'd be interested in a good publication, I recommend the magazine published by the IGUANA. Great articles on various stuff regarding conservation, trips and captive propagation.

[Nir 0]

I am in the process of building a nice big cage for my Spilotes. However, with the end of the therm arriving fast, I have less and less time to put on that project. Since my male was starting to be a bit cramped in his current set-up and I am not finishing the new cage for a couple weeks, I decided to upgrade him to a temporary cage. It is a 72 Gal. "Fish" tank. It is 48 x 20 x 18. It gives him a fair amount of room to move.

Anyway, to get to the point... I posted this because I thought it followed the angry lodingi post.

Here is a very angry Spilotes that did not like the change of environment :

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stevie a écrit:

Don, better grab your mittens, lol. Cheers "Frenchie"
P.S. What's wrong with this weather? I need some herping running through my veins before I get cranky.

Spankenstyne a écrit:

Unfortunately last night 15 cm of postponed until further noticed interfered...

Well.......it was around 0 degrees C here today, with a "windchill factor" of -3.........the snakes were not out........So for this post I'll share in the frustration, but still try to celebrate the inevitable........

Here are some outtakes from my previous "Emerging Garters 2009" post, along with a few "unreleased" photographs of a "Melanie-istic" , er.....melanistic female from last year........



































Regards,
M/0/D/P

ps -

[Jon Davidson 0]

Awhhh... Melanistic Thamnophis. What a beautiful beast. Thank you for posting these photos, Mr. Pogue. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

[stevie 0]

Hey where did you see those "melan-istical brutes?"I thought i was the only one that knew where to find them ,i guess not.

[Melanie76 0]

Great pics, as per usual!

Who can resist those Melanistic garters..lol... ..

[Marc Dubois 0]

Beautifull ''wild'' melanistic mr. Pogue !!

Here, its too cold outside


BTW some ''souvenir'' of the summer 2006 & 2007: (beware: ugly snakes...)

[Jon Davidson 0]

Marc Dubois a écrit:

(beware: ugly snakes...)

What!!? (wink) Just kidding. Good photographs, Mr. Dubois. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

[LD/50 0]

D. Pogue a écrit:

I love all of these wild snake pics! BUT I just can't imagine a "perfect" CB snake with all that mud on it LOL . Maybe someone should collect all of these terrible wild snakes and give them a bath and some immediate medical care, too because they just look so "wild caught". Whats with all these "wild" snakes anyways?? Don't snakes belong in tiny little plastic boxes along with all of the other valuable "investments"???

Sorry, I couldn't help it. At least when I make a little joke here, everyone knows I'm kidding (maybe some even laugh at my sillier stuff?), and I don't have to worry about getting 'banned' yet again because a threat like that hanging over your head might make a person stop posting or even logging in LOL .

Mr. P. it looks to me like maybe some of these garters might be hibernating in mud, or even under water. I wonder how common that is? Actually, I find I'm getting more and more intersted in the science of reptiles than the "pet trade" angle. Theres only so much you can learn about "how to buy stuff" I find .

steven

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Greetings from sunny Northern California. I'm hoping to start herping over the next few weeks in the hope of getting some photos of some of our native thamnophis, lampropeltis, pituophis, coluber and crotalus.

In the meantime, here are some middling photos of some of my own colubrids:

Melanurus:



Rhamphiophis:



Heterodon:


Suboc:


Flavirufa:


We have been lucky in the past few years to have pituophis catenifer, lampropeltis getula californiae and coluber constrictor mormon make their way into our backyard. I work in Marin County and often get to see some beautiful thamnophis sirtalis infernalis.

[Superman811 0]

Wow great looking snake man , they look awesome I love the Melanarus seems like a pretty strong snake heavy built for a Colubrid

[Spankenstyne 0]

Duff, welcome and nice collection. Any other pictures you have of the Rhamphiophis would be appreciated, don't see them much up here. A friend has Rhamphiophis oxyryhchus but his are the only ones I've seen in person.

I'm jealous of the visitors you get in the yard, hope we'll be seeing some shots of those as well.


LD/50, they may be muddy but *gasp* luckily they only eat on paper towels.. I mean imagine the impactions just waiting to happen if they actually ate in that stuff...
It must be true, my tubs n' towels google gurus can't be wrong...

[Duff1 0]

Spankenstyne a écrit:

Duff, welcome and nice collection. Any other pictures you have of the Rhamphiophis would be appreciated, don't see them much up here. A friend has Rhamphiophis oxyryhchus but his are the only ones I've seen in person.

I'm jealous of the visitors you get in the yard, hope we'll be seeing some shots of those as well.


LD/50, they may be muddy but *gasp* luckily they only eat on paper towels.. I mean imagine the impactions just waiting to happen if they actually ate in that stuff...
It must be true, my tubs n' towels google gurus can't be wrong...

Thanks for the welcome.

I'll post some more pics this weekend. I'd be interested in comparing notes with your friend - we don't see a lot of them down here either.

[JSI 0]

Very nice D.c.melanurus Duff, I'm a big fan of the Central American Cribos. Some more photos of those would be greatly appreciated by myself and I'm sure a few others.

Jeremy
P.S. Wild snakes are cool
P.S.S. The mental picture of Corky in pumps parading a "Lesser Platinum"...........bad

[Melanie76 0]

I agree! Beautiful Cribos!
Welcome aboard! More pictures would be much appreciated

[Duff1 0]

JSI a écrit:

Very nice D.c.melanurus Duff, I'm a big fan of the Central American Cribos. Some more photos of those would be greatly appreciated by myself and I'm sure a few others.

Jeremy
P.S. Wild snakes are cool
P.S.S. The mental picture of Corky in pumps parading a "Lesser Platinum"...........bad

He was just over three years old in this pic.

At almost four years old, Mojo has kept the black coloration on his tail. His sister began losing hers at 2.5 years of age - she could pass for a unicolor...........

Which makes me wonder if black-tails and unis are just color phases of the same animal.....................

[JSI 0]

Duff a écrit:

Which makes me wonder if black-tails and unis are just color phases of the same animal.....................

Beautiful snake, I should get some photo's of me holding mine.
I agree with the Black Tail - Unicolour(Canadian Spelling ) issue. If you look at the variability of these snakes in the wild the notion of having different subspecies because of the colour of the tail doesn’t really make much sense. It would be like breaking down couperi because of throat colour or D.c.corais because of the amount of yellow or head colour.

Jeremy

P.S. I thought the “other” Canadian Site was a bit harsh with it’s post stripping but that US one (Kingwhatever.com) is even worse. A simple debate about feeding rates for Drymarchon where all I asked was for people to provide some credibility for their opinion got pulled. These “Internet Snake Keepers” don’t like if you question their opinion. Just smile and node.

[stevie 0]

Very nice pics i like the Hognose

[Nir 0]

Beautiful Black tailed cribo!!

[Manu-superiorgeckos 0]

That Cribo is Awsome....Welcome to the forum by the way!!!