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you have a beautiful filly from Blossom, a very pretty head, short back and strong legs. a very promising filly for the future i think for sure! welll done carole on breeding such a good foal.

yes, cathy, where are the photos of Tangle and Tapestry? i,m waiting to see you with them.

So your happy with the new arrivals? It is good news they arrived safely. Seb you like the mares? what real beautys they are, i am so happy to see they arrived well and in good health. Charlotte Penny Black is just so pretty, and a very nice character too. have fun and I hope they are all behaving well!!! now let us see photos of Petina and Pandora?

Don't forget that 1, 2 and 3 year olds can still have large knees as they still continue to grow. Charlotte has explained very well the 'flat bone' required in the Gypsy Cob and the obvious reason why they need to have this.

There is very little connection with the height of todays Gypsy Cob with the breeds that were part of the foundation stock. For an example a 14.2 /15hh Gypsy Cob is NOT this size just because it has more Shire or Clydesdale influence and likewise a 13.2HH Gypsy Cob is NOT this size because it has more Dales or Fell influence. It is a direct result of the size of the sire and dam, grandsire and granddam. What ever the height be it 13hh or 15hh it should still look 100% Gypsy Cob with no sign of the founding breeds established 40 years before. When the breed was first being established by the Gypsys 30 or more years ago you would get 'throwbacks' to the foundation breeds quite often and through process of elimination and culling we ended up with a horse which when bred back to itself produced its own individual type therefore establishing the breed we know today. The foundation of any breed is established in the same way, when bred to an individual of similiar type produces the type again therefore establishing a breed, any diversion to this would be culled and not kept. Regarding the colour, we have had many discussions about if the Gypsy Cob should be a certain colour, ie: black and white, ideally the Gypsys would prefer it to be a Black and white only breed, but because of its 'genetic makeup' it is capable of producing almost every colour and so therefore to limit it to a specific colour would go against the 'law of genetics'. We therefore allow any colour into the Registry on equal terms, but it may be remembered that if you had 2 Gypsy Cob Stallions of superb quality, identical in every way except colour, the Gypsy Man would pay you far more money for the Black and White than any other colour. therefore making the Black and White the most preferred colour but not necessarily the correct colour.

At the moment the individual scores on the inspection sheet are for the owners only, it is up to their discreation if the release these results to the public to read, rather than just the final total score. Personnally i think it would be a good idea for everyone to see the individual scores involved throughout an inspection sheet, then everyone can read in what departments horses scored well or poorly, but as yet this is only for the owners eyes.

I would suggest you go and look on the GCS FR. web site under show results and photos. This should show you the best and the not so good, look at the results and look at the photos.

This comment made my Marie is a perfect example of not understanding 'Breed Type'. What makes the Gypsy Cob what it is? Just because you think it has feather, and a nice head, a short back and a wide bottom does not make it a Gypsy Cob. The only way to really understand what breed type is would be to look at many Gypsy Cobs, if you have not been to England and seen them in their large numbers, such as 50 to 100 broad mares in one field, then In understand why you have a problem understanding this. Of course the British Native breeds such as Dales and Fell etc are in the history of the breed but ,many generations back, we do not want to see this influence in the breed today, otherwise you would go and own a Dales or Fell, instead of a Gypsy Cob. The Gypsy Cob is unique, it has its own breed standard, and is now a DEFRA regonized British Native Breed, therefore we do not want to see any of the foundation blood in the Gypsy Cob we see today, but appriciate these breeds for the unique qualities they gave to the gypsy Cob and the part they took in establishing the breed we know today. To explain in perhaps a french example, your Comtois is believed to be founded from Boulonnais, Percheron and later the Ardennes, do you think their registry would accept any Comtois that looked like their founding breeds?? Marie already confirmed her horse had an unknown father, it is more than likely a Dales type, of Welsh Cob type, this is why it is heavily influenced by this in its 'look'. If you imagine your horse as black and white, not Bay, it may help you, but i fear you may have a problem understanding Breed type and i would suggest you try to make a trip to England to see the Gypsy Cobs in thier large numbers, to help you establish a trained 'eye'.

My apology for not answering your question until now, but both myself and charlotte have been travelling and not able to work on the computer. Thank you Corinne, Isabeau and mmcob, you answered the question for me correctly and it is encouraging that many of you now understand the difference between having a horse with good conformation and no 'breed type' so therefore can not be agreed as a gypsy cob, and that of a Gypsy Cob who has poor comformation or a certain degree of faults, so not passed for breeding but is confirmed a Gypsy Cob. You can present to us a very nice horse and have a high score because it is correct in general conformation, but if it does not look like a Gypsy Cob or had a major fault that can be passed on to the foals, would you expect us to say 'yes' you can breed from that? would we be doing our job as judges correctly? I remember Egor from 2008 and if i am correct and it is the same horse, then yes he is a Gypsy Cob, but he had a major conformation fault which could not be ignored, and so a limit was put on how many foals he could breed, so we can establish if he breeds this fault to his foals. As yet i have not seen his foals so I can not answer that question yet, but if i was to look at his foals and they have the same conformation fault, then he would not be allowed to continue as a stallion with the GCS. This is why it is important you attend the shows and inspections as breeders, so you can establish in your own head what 'breed type' is. The simple answer is 'because you have a nice horse, this does not make it a Gypsy Cob'. we now have many good examples or correct Gypsy Cobs with in the GCS FR. so there is no reason for anyone not to understand this, they are there for you to look at and learn from their good examples. Thank you for your question.

thank you again for your kind comments, if it was not so complicated for me to put pictures up I would put some mare photos up to, but it is too difficult for my brain!! thank you again, you are all very kind people and obviously love the breed the gypsy cob!

yes, Seb he is for sale, thank you. sorry i make some mistakes when loading up pictures, it is a little complicated for me!

he gets more beautiful everyday, a magnificent head!

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just like his sister i think!!!

Very sad news, I hope Donnatella is not too distressed? we try to protect our foals but sometimes it is not enough, nothing you can do, just a bad accident.

I like your new boy very much, a good colour too.... be sure to keep that weight on him like he has in the inspection photo.... well done

He Continues to grow in a beautiful way, and more like his Father everyday. not two years old until August and he has an amazing chest and neck, he continues to grow and muscle, and he has some of the best legs i have seen, you can clearly see his excellent cannon bone and pastern. Well done Edwige you feed him the correct way and make me very proud of my handsome boy, we really really miss him here looking out over the gate in our yard in the mornings. and congratulations, he will be a father next year.